. >> well, this is a tricky business because you have a coal situation and environment and all those concerns. how do you win on that argument in your state and how is mandel running that case? he seems like he's stuck with the romney idea. >> yeah, he is. and i think you win on that by, you know, you know, we've talked enough on this show, chris, and you get this better than almost anybody, that it's not liberal/conservative, left or right, it's whose side you're on. i go to belmont county and zanesville and cambridge and woodsfield and these communities in appalachia. they know i want to keep programs strong for veterans. veterans have a higher unemployment rate. we're always working on helping with manufacturing. there's a lot of small manufacturers in these small communities, and i want to make sure that these workers get an opportunity to send their kids to school. we have more coal mine jobs today in ohio than we did four years ago. it's not a huge number anymore, but it matters in our state, and we're seeing those -- i think those miners come around and support the president i